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cwmoore 17 hours ago [-]
“an area open to public use, where no reasonable expectation of privacy exists”
becomes:
“an area open to public use, where reasonable expectation of no privacy exists”
spwa4 13 hours ago [-]
Surely the citizens will be on their best behavior. Wait ... that was China's government, that statement, no?
stuaxo 11 hours ago [-]
Can't believe I only got as far as 11am before thinking about Larry Ellison
onetokeoverthe 13 hours ago [-]
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HDBaseT 16 hours ago [-]
Not suggesting this is okay, but the 1,300 "AI Cameras" are placed in "classroom buildings, bookstores, dining areas, parking structures, gyms and the residence halls".
Reading the title suggested to me that the cameras were installed even in the doom rooms, but this isn't the case. The article reads a bit strange "and the residence halls where students sleep." but the students don't sleep in the hall, they sleep in rooms adjacent to the hall.
steanne 16 hours ago [-]
the word hall, when used in this context, means the entire building, not the hallways.
The whole expectation of privacy argument is so obtuse.
If I find you in public and start staring at you and following you everywhere without ever going away, including camping out at the door of every private space you enter and exit. You will absolutely have a problem with it. We even have a word for it and laws about it.
The fact that the barista saw you at the coffee shop and your roomate saw you at the library and the book store has an ordinary security camera are nothing remotely equivelant.
One is stalking, even harassment, and the others are not.
throwburn202605 10 hours ago [-]
Agreed.
Scale is what matters.
Being in public and being incidently recorded or photographed by a set of separate, independent recorders is substantially different than an all seeing panopticon, controlled one entity who can collate, analyse, track, trace through time (maybe years back).
It's not you who determines guilt. And surveillance is more likely to be used against you for minor asinine things (if only to justify its own existence), than used for you in major incidents it is claimed to be installed for.
Ekaros 10 hours ago [-]
With a one or two shots of facial recognition working your entire existence can be tracked from when you appeared on first camera to the last one. Even if at some points your face is not identified.
Now combine this to all other data like say payments and well even more identifying points are in the data... Local only video records is entirely different game than being tracked for your whole day...
Jamesbeam 14 hours ago [-]
The cheapest DIY drone that is able to effectively carry and use a glass breaker is like 25 bucks in material.
Why would anyone carry a palm-size non-traceable drone with a glass breaker on campus you might ask. Are they going to break the cameras? Of course not, that’s highly illegal.
Students care deeply about the wellbeing of fellow students and professors, just like the University seems to care so much that they installed AI cameras for 1.3 mil USD. Safety first.
What if one of your fellow students crashes their car on campus and needs to be rescued in style? Evaluate explosion risk, decide to break glass with the drone from a safe distance, then quickly move in to cut the seat belt and extract the crashed driver.
Drones are cool tech, students at SDSU should experiment with them way more and establish their presence on campus. Maybe even make a nationwide university sport out of it. National Drone Rescue Championships anyone?
Hizonner 6 hours ago [-]
I would think it would be hard to hit the lens.
rahulshah2002 14 hours ago [-]
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MarkusQ 16 hours ago [-]
Sounds like security cameras.
I'll bet they installed smoke detectors and emergency lighting and all sorts of other things without telling students either.
pjjpo 10 hours ago [-]
I had my PS2 stolen from a dorm at the other SD university. More security cameras would have been a great thing at the time.
Eddy_Viscosity2 10 hours ago [-]
More cameras does not equal more security. They aren't put there to protect your property in the same way that HR departments don't exist to protect employees.
MarkusQ 7 hours ago [-]
No, they're put there to collect grainy images of the perpetrator to distribute after the shooting. It's sad/ineffectual, but still far less nefarious than TFA makes it sound.
becomes:
“an area open to public use, where reasonable expectation of no privacy exists”
Reading the title suggested to me that the cameras were installed even in the doom rooms, but this isn't the case. The article reads a bit strange "and the residence halls where students sleep." but the students don't sleep in the hall, they sleep in rooms adjacent to the hall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Student_accommoda...
If I find you in public and start staring at you and following you everywhere without ever going away, including camping out at the door of every private space you enter and exit. You will absolutely have a problem with it. We even have a word for it and laws about it.
The fact that the barista saw you at the coffee shop and your roomate saw you at the library and the book store has an ordinary security camera are nothing remotely equivelant.
One is stalking, even harassment, and the others are not.
Scale is what matters.
Being in public and being incidently recorded or photographed by a set of separate, independent recorders is substantially different than an all seeing panopticon, controlled one entity who can collate, analyse, track, trace through time (maybe years back).
It's not you who determines guilt. And surveillance is more likely to be used against you for minor asinine things (if only to justify its own existence), than used for you in major incidents it is claimed to be installed for.
Now combine this to all other data like say payments and well even more identifying points are in the data... Local only video records is entirely different game than being tracked for your whole day...
Why would anyone carry a palm-size non-traceable drone with a glass breaker on campus you might ask. Are they going to break the cameras? Of course not, that’s highly illegal.
Students care deeply about the wellbeing of fellow students and professors, just like the University seems to care so much that they installed AI cameras for 1.3 mil USD. Safety first.
What if one of your fellow students crashes their car on campus and needs to be rescued in style? Evaluate explosion risk, decide to break glass with the drone from a safe distance, then quickly move in to cut the seat belt and extract the crashed driver.
Drones are cool tech, students at SDSU should experiment with them way more and establish their presence on campus. Maybe even make a nationwide university sport out of it. National Drone Rescue Championships anyone?
I'll bet they installed smoke detectors and emergency lighting and all sorts of other things without telling students either.