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an_account 1 hours ago [-]
I think he completely misunderstood 15 minute cities as a concept.
15 min cities mean cities that are mixed use enough that you can get all your needs within 15 mins without a car. Cities like this can be large and typically are extremely well connected, not isolated into enclaves like this person suggests.
mrhottakes 1 hours ago [-]
He's making a conservative ideological argument; that's exactly how conservatives describe mixed use, walkable city planning.
jeroenhd 1 hours ago [-]
This article is the most engineered rage bait I've seen so far. We've got 15 minute cities, COVID, work from home, "who pays for it" for public services, congestion pricing, somehow even NATO and the WHO got mentioned.
Add some outrage over bike paths (for or against) and this post will circulate reddit for weeks!
mrhottakes 1 hours ago [-]
It's just conservative ideology
dpark 8 minutes ago [-]
The weird thing is that it’s not. The author also touts congestion fees so that the wealthy subsidize public transit as a good thing.
It seems to just be a disorganized jumble of thoughts. He mentions hyperloop as an emerging transit technology for traveling around cities as if hyperloop is some kind of local bus alternative.
blensor 1 hours ago [-]
Is the premise of 15-minute cities really that every final destination is walkable within 15 minutes or that you can reach everything you need within 15 minutes?
If I live in a big city with good public transport and have most daily need things walkable within 15 minutes and good public transport connections also within 15 minutes then I can benefit from opportunities that are farther away while also having the locality of the rest of the day to day things.
That's what I personally would consider a 15-minute city
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phoronixrly 1 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I don't understand why this person makes it sound like a 15-minute city is some sort of a jail, or an island you can't get in a car and drive out of should a need arise...
mrhottakes 1 hours ago [-]
That's how conservatives criticize the concept. It's a conservative economist making a conservative ideological argument.
cma256 55 minutes ago [-]
> The rise of autonomous vehicles and technologies like hyperloop may make a major difference to the way we travel around cities.
Harvard University Professor of Economics everyone. When discussing new modes of transport the _hyperloop_ is the exemplar. A technology that does not work, can not work, and will never work.
And, of course, no mention of e-bikes which are cheap, proven, and have seen large adoption in my neighborhood at the least. But of course that might have undermined his point.
dpark 5 minutes ago [-]
And as if hyperloop was even proposed as a solution for transit within a city.
This whole article is just weird and rambling, Mike someone trying to use buzzwords without understanding what they are.
mrhottakes 54 minutes ago [-]
Much like walking or living in a mixed use neighborhood, bikes don't make any money for Elon and friends, so they are useless and in fact bad.
Delphiza 17 minutes ago [-]
An curious example where an academic at full-time at Harvard is obviously less qualified than millions of people that live in 15-minute cities all around the world. Maybe he should spend less time researching urban planning, and more time doing field work.
rho138 15 minutes ago [-]
> The rise of autonomous vehicles and technologies like hyperloop may make a major difference to the way we travel around cities.
Oh, got it.
fedeb95 1 hours ago [-]
moving around could be accomplished by traveling, in decreasing order by efficiency (by those who can, obviously):
and the frequency could follow an exponential distribution.
ninalanyon 1 hours ago [-]
Every instance of the word city in that article, and the title, should have been qualified with 'US'.
PaulHoule 1 hours ago [-]
Shanghai, Beijing, and other big Chinese cities are like that. People in places like that also think overnight delivery from AMZN is terribly slow.
HardwareLust 1 hours ago [-]
Yeah I'm sorry but I can't take someone seriously that believes that Hyperloop will be a viable form of transportation. It's nothing but an idiotic fantasy and that's all it will ever be
phoronixrly 1 hours ago [-]
I could not make the basic premise of this article... Is it that 15-minute cities would limit social mobility?? Is it that congestion pricing would limit social mobility? Am I just trying to make sense of an llm-generated word soup?
TheOtherHobbes 1 hours ago [-]
From 2021, so not an LLM.
The premise seems to be that making everything local means diversity will be inaccessible.
In reality economic diversity is heavily gatekept anyway - sometimes literally.
Forcing people to commute wastes time with no obvious upside.
allemagne 55 minutes ago [-]
Wow, I was 100% convinced this was written by AI.
I maintain that this article is eerily similar to something produced by an LLM, but maybe I need to reexamine my priors.
- The "contrastive negation" with em-dashes in: "But the basic concept of a 15-minute city is not really a city at all. It’s an enclave — a ghetto – a subdivision."
- The extended discussion of business regulations seemed out of place: "I also believe that cities should be freed from the business regulations that make it difficult..." This really read to me like someone directed an LLM to make sure to include these arguments rather than this naturally arising during the human writing process.
- The writing itself (as noted elsewhere in this thread) is vague and hard to follow.
mrhottakes 52 minutes ago [-]
Mainstream western economists are essentially LLMs that have been trained incorrectly as a joke
allemagne 41 minutes ago [-]
I don't know that I'd throw a whole field under the bus like that (I'm reminded of similar accusations against students of sociology and gender studies) but I acknowledge this author isn't doing his profession any favors.
breezybottom 46 minutes ago [-]
Well now you know what it was trained on.
blensor 1 hours ago [-]
The funny thing is that the page has a broken Google Tag Manager script
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1, shrink-to-fit=no">
j=d.createElement(s),dl=l!='dataLayer'?'&l='+l:'';j.async=true;j.src='https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtm.js?id='+i+dl;f.parentNode.insertBefore(j,f);})(window,document,'script','dataLayer','GTM-NZXZ6MK');</script><!-- End Google Tag Manager -->
Causing the top of the page show the script and nobody from that site noticing it.
whynotmaybe 54 minutes ago [-]
The whole US societal model of judgment of anyone's wealth can't be maintained because anyone walking is supposedly poor.
So if you create cities where someone has to "walk", in their minds you're forcing them to be seen as poor.
That's what also included in the concept of valet parking, you're rich because you can go directly from your car to the hotel/restaurant entrance without walking among the poors.
dpark 25 minutes ago [-]
Proof that humans can also generate low quality slop.
15 min cities mean cities that are mixed use enough that you can get all your needs within 15 mins without a car. Cities like this can be large and typically are extremely well connected, not isolated into enclaves like this person suggests.
Add some outrage over bike paths (for or against) and this post will circulate reddit for weeks!
It seems to just be a disorganized jumble of thoughts. He mentions hyperloop as an emerging transit technology for traveling around cities as if hyperloop is some kind of local bus alternative.
If I live in a big city with good public transport and have most daily need things walkable within 15 minutes and good public transport connections also within 15 minutes then I can benefit from opportunities that are farther away while also having the locality of the rest of the day to day things.
That's what I personally would consider a 15-minute city
Harvard University Professor of Economics everyone. When discussing new modes of transport the _hyperloop_ is the exemplar. A technology that does not work, can not work, and will never work.
And, of course, no mention of e-bikes which are cheap, proven, and have seen large adoption in my neighborhood at the least. But of course that might have undermined his point.
This whole article is just weird and rambling, Mike someone trying to use buzzwords without understanding what they are.
Oh, got it.
1) cycling 2) walking 3) train 4) cars 5) airplanes
and the frequency could follow an exponential distribution.
The premise seems to be that making everything local means diversity will be inaccessible.
In reality economic diversity is heavily gatekept anyway - sometimes literally.
Forcing people to commute wastes time with no obvious upside.
I maintain that this article is eerily similar to something produced by an LLM, but maybe I need to reexamine my priors.
- The "contrastive negation" with em-dashes in: "But the basic concept of a 15-minute city is not really a city at all. It’s an enclave — a ghetto – a subdivision."
- The extended discussion of business regulations seemed out of place: "I also believe that cities should be freed from the business regulations that make it difficult..." This really read to me like someone directed an LLM to make sure to include these arguments rather than this naturally arising during the human writing process.
- The writing itself (as noted elsewhere in this thread) is vague and hard to follow.
So if you create cities where someone has to "walk", in their minds you're forcing them to be seen as poor.
That's what also included in the concept of valet parking, you're rich because you can go directly from your car to the hotel/restaurant entrance without walking among the poors.